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Publishing 2.0: WordPress vs. Movable Type: Open Source Blogging Software Showdown

  • Toni · 2 years ago
    Thanks for the post Scott!

    > large media companies and other enterprise users, many of whom adopted MT when it was on top and then never switched over to WordPress

    I'm not sure this is the case. There's been significant large media and enterprise adoption of WordPress, especially int he last 12 months: http://wordpress.com/notable-users/
  • Dan Skeen · 2 years ago
    Great post Scott. My money's on Wordpress on this one. Developer communities don't get built overnight and Wordpress has so much momentum. It'll be a fun race to watch though.
  • Scott Karp · 2 years ago
    Hi Toni, thanks for stopping by.

    You have indeed signed up a lot of top media companies -- the smartest ones, really. But that really just represents the head...I know of many mid-tier and longer tail publishers that are still toiling away on MT.
  • Hashim · 2 years ago
    this post is slanted. the decision to charge didn't nearly kill MT, as you wrote. Instead it probably helped turn Sixapart into a real company, with the ability to grow Typepad, buy LiveJournal, and launch Vox. Oh yeah, and they captured the enterprise market.
  • Scott Karp · 2 years ago
    Hashim,

    Anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

    If Six Apart hadn't stumbled with MT, this page would not exist today: http://wordpress.com/notable-users/

    And I'd likely be using MT rather than WordPress, and giving the "slant" to MT.
  • Gary King · 2 years ago
    You make a compelling argument, Scott, but in my opinion, WordPress is already the de facto leader of open source blogging platforms.

    I post my thoughts about it here:

    http://www.kinggary.com/archives/movable-type-i...

    ;)
  • Jason Berberich · 2 years ago
    I'm a user of both MT and WP for various projects, and each definitely have their pros and cons.

    In a one-to-one battle, I think WordPress has one big advantage over Movable Type: there are a lot more PHP hackers out there than Perl ones, myself included. That of course means more plug-ins, which means more features, which means more users.

    If you need to manage multiple blogs (and not create a blog farm), I can tell you right now that Movable Type does a far better job than WP or WP MU. For the 80% who just want a blog though, WordPress does the job nicely w/o getting in the way.
  • Rick · 2 years ago
    MT distinguishes between "open source" and "commercial". That is usually PR-speak for "we don't like open source, we don't get open source but we feel we need to get on the bandwagon, so here's some code".

    Inevitable, the "open source version" will be or become a crippled version, and MT will have to refuse to commit third party features that compete with the unique selling points of the "commercial" version. I mean, if you actually believe in the power of Open Source, you "know" the open source version will be better then the "commercial" version.

    However, if MT4 is any good (and the source a lot less crappier then the last time I saw it), somebody might actually start a successful fork that's actually better then MT's commercial version. That's usually the way these thing go.

    So MT, so long and thanks for all the sourcecode....
  • Owen Cutajar · 2 years ago
    Great post Scott. I'm a big WordPress fan and have no exposure to MT. I moved to WordPress from dasBlog which I was using out of loyalty to the .Net platform and have never looked back since switching to WordPress. I think WP now has a critical mass that will make it pretty difficult for MT to gain ground. As you say, the wealth of plugins for WP is astounding and this is what makes WP such a formidable opponent for any other blog platform.
  • Munir Umrani · 2 years ago
    I use Movable Type, TypePad and WordPress. Do I care about which platform has the edge over the other? No. All I care about is that they work when I want to use them. Currently, they all do.
  • David McDonald · 2 years ago
    In my opinion it's far easier and quicker to customise WordPress to work as a CMS, and this is something I do regularly for clients.

    The community behind WordPress and the amount of functionality it can have, through plugins, is amazing. I tried MT early on, found it somewhat clunky and moved to WordPress having never looked back.
  • billg · 2 years ago
    You are correct to note that MT's licensing scheme isn't important to many people. It's certainly not an issue to institutions who dont't believe they can trust the "community" for support. (I.e., you can't make the "community" drive into work at 3 am when the server crashes.)

    Of course, this doesn't apply to the average personal blogger who has bought some pace on a shared host somewhere. As MT learned, most of those folks are either too cheap to buy anything or let their political opinions guide their software choices.

    In the end, there is no money to be made trying to sell blogging software to those folks. There simply is no market there. People like to extol WP and other such their products as vanguards of a beautiful new open source world. But, the fact is that Matt, et al, couldn't sell WP into that market for $69.95 and up any more than SixApart could sell MT. And, as others have learned, the corporate world doesn't really care about the "free as in beer" aspect.

    The Microsoft vs Apple comparision is cast incorrectly. First, the range and quality of applications available for Macs certainly seems more than enough for most Mac users. Remember, the downside of Windows apps is that you need to actually use Windows.

    Likewise, people and businesses who use MT may stay with it because they like it, not because they are inflexible or lack the initiative to switch.

    The architecture of MT and WP differ significantly, so much so that anyone planning on rolling out a site that will draw serious traffic really ought to consider both. Both have potential chokepoints. MT can suck up resources as content is posted or changed, but once a static file is posted, that's it. On the other hand, a busy WP site can readily overwhelm its database.

    In other words, if you run a big commercial site on your own hardware, it may come down to a choice of which slice of that hardware you need to beef up. If you run a personal site, it probably make no difference.
  • Anil · 2 years ago
    "MT distinguishes between “open source” and “commercial”. That is usually PR-speak for “we don’t like open source, we don’t get open source but we feel we need to get on the bandwagon, so here’s some code”."

    I think that's false in the general case, and also false in this specific case. Our teams have always made huge contributions to open source, and you can ask anybody in the Web 2.0 space for corroboration. If you're saying "open source means abandoned", while I'm using Firefox to post on a site that's run by open source software, then you're just being absurd.

    Regardless of the perception in tech geek circles, the audiences for all our platforms has been growing rapidly. Those of you who are old-timers might remember when the same group was *convinced* that MT's growth was coming at the expense of Blogger, not realizing that then, as now, the goal was always about getting new people blogging.

    There are definitely people who focus on trying to get people to switch from one blog tool to another; We just don't think that's a sustainable method of growing blogging as a whole, so we focus on getting new bloggers started, and those new people are smart enough not to see a space where *everyone* is growing as a simplistic horse race. There can be, and always is, more than one "winner".
  • Tubbydev · 2 years ago
    The problem is more a business problem.. Can SixApart LIVE with revenues from technical systems ? Typepad is too expensive now (in B2C and in B2B). Vox doesn't have (may be i am wrong) a good success with firms.. Why pay ? If SixApart waqnt to be a software editor they have to build a logistic of real software editor and the will compete "classical" cms.. and they will no more be "blogging firm".; if they want to continue to be b2c, they have to find revenues and it's not very easy in the "free" world of blogging..
  • Rick · 2 years ago
    Anil, what I am missing is any kind of justification (business or ideological) for having a separate "commercial" version at all. What is going to be the USP for the "commercial" version? Why would I want to buy a license? If it's support, why not just be straight and sell the support. If not, what's the secret ingredient in MT4 "commercial" that can't be open sourced? (This is not just a theoretical question, in my current job, I'm the one responsible for selecting the software for a number of high traffic blogs. And yes, we're currently using WordPress.)

    And I seriously take exception to the distinction between "open source" and "commercial" as if they were opposites. That is newspeak from the "open source is communism" crowd. Call it "premium" or "supported"
    or something like that, but don't suggest open source in general means non-commercial.
  • Mihai Bocsaru · 2 years ago
    Thanks for the post Scott. I'm on the Movable Type side and I do encourage you guys to give a look to the new version.

    As a Movable Type consultant and to encourage people discover the new Movable Type without any effort I've installed a fully working demo version at:

    http://www.movabletype4.org/

    Check it out and let me know what you think of it!
  • Stuart Robertson · 2 years ago
    Thanks for an update on MT vs WP. The University I work at is currently using MT, but we've been considering moving over to WP.

    However, in addition to the changes with MT 4, there's also the additional features of MT Enterprise. MTE is targeted at professional publishers, universities, and corporations and includes LDAP integration, support for SQL Server & Oracle DB, and other advanced administration features.

    It's also substantially more expensive than any of the other MT licenses.

    Thanks for setting up that demo account Mihai!
  • hacker not cracker · 2 years ago
    My first blogs were with Pivot and MT. Now, I use Wordpress. I can tell you, I will NEVER go back to MT as long as it is in Perl/CGI. Frankly, it is a dying, messy, archaic, and complicated language.
  • Macnerdzcare · 2 years ago
    I'm used to Wordpress but i will try that moving platform thing.
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