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Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

VC Dan — Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:09:46 -0000

Scott: the reality is that we ALL have a vested interest in driving a Disclosure Policy framework so audiences have a common method to understand the affiliations/disclosure practices of any blogger they find. The issue/solution mirrors data privacy and Privacy Policies -- and the diversity of sites/audiences to be considered.

Of course, the more critics refuse to try/share disclosure advice at DisclosurePolicy.org, the more this sounds like a blog-traffic-driving controversy rather than a real issue they want to help solve. It's hard to claim a Disclosure Policy framework isn't a helpful step towards blogosphere transparency.

Check out DisclosurePolicy.org, use the DP Generator, edit it to match your practices, link to it from every page and then share your DP advice so others can learn from your perspective/experience.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

a reader — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:44:13 -0000

The New York Times is a deception. So are Reuters, Associated Press, and the rest of the centralized and infiltrated "news" organizations. Deal with it.

Are you aware of how easily these organizations are played?
http://www.mudvillegazette....

You can't believe ANYTHING you read on the internet. Deal with it.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Karoli — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:15:11 -0000

Mario,

You're incorrect. I see you didn't actually LOOK, but offered a snap judgment instead. Every paid post is disclosed.

DnW

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Allen — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:55:56 -0000

I like your thoughts - remember that payment occurs in many ways. If you get any free goods or services in addition to cash, it should be disclosed. Period.

Here are some thoughts I had:
http://www.centernetworks.com/payperpost-disclosure

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Mario — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:55:34 -0000

You are being deceptive because you aren't telling us which ads were paid for. It doesn't matter if you're honest in the review itself, if you aren't telling the whole story, you aren't giving the reader critical information they need.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Karoli — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:54:14 -0000

Can any of you who are so incredibly quick to criticize this please take my challenge? Go to my blog and click on the "reviews" category. All of my reviews are there -- paid and unpaid. Tell me if you see a difference between those which are paid and those which are not paid.

It is only deceptive if: a) I write something or about something I do not believe in; or b) I write something untrue for the sole purpose of being paid.

I am not a reporter. I am a person who maintains a personal blog for the purpose of writing about life, things that interest me, and issues that make me think. I have a small community of people who think what I write is worth reading. I am telling those people about a product or service or topic that interests me and that I think might interest them.

I have a policy which clearly defines my criteria for choosing posts to write about where I will be paid.

I am waiting for someone to explain how I am being deceptive.

You can argue that there are lots of people who aren't like me. That is the whole reason for opening a conversation around this issue, in my opinion. Rather than being like the mob in the "The Music Man", crying out that "Pool" is going to corrupt the town, why not engage in a reasonable dialogue about how bloggers can be word-of-mouth-marketers and NOT deceive their readers?

By the way, I just bought 2 sets of Moo Cards. I bought them after seeing some A-listers' cards -- ones that they got free as part of a Flickr promotion. By the time I got there, the free promo was over. I bought them anyway because I thought they were cool and worked well as a unique tool for my drummer-son to use to get gigs.

It was clear to me by the number of posts that went up about them that part of the promo was to blog about them when they received their freebies but it wasn't always clearly stated on the blog posts about them. Did I feel deceived? No, because I thought they were cool and so did the majority of the folks who blogged about them, even though it could be argued that 'payment' was the receipt of freebies in exchange for some powerful word-of-mouth promos.

Really, if we can wrap ourselves around some ways to identify ourselves as honest people who write the same whether paid or not similar to the Moo bloggers, I think we do everyone a favor, because being critical with no solution is no way to move the ball down the field.

DnW

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Mike McKinnon — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:54 -0000

Seth Godin calls these people manipulators and spoke about them in a recent blog.

People are always going to try and game the system. It is going to come down to trust. Who do we trust in the marketplace? Who is out there building trust in an open and honest manner? It is the companies that are doing things in a transparent way and involving their audience in a conversation that are going to succeed.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Scott Karp — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:39:55 -0000

Drew, this is not a New Media/Old Media issue. It has been around for 100 years, and there have been publishers operating on the wrong side of deception for 100 years. That people have been doing it for a long time doesn't make it a good thing.

VC Dan, I think you've got a tough sell making DisclosurePolicy the locus of this debate given PayPerPost's vested interest in the outcome.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

Drew Robertson — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:27:04 -0000

OK hold your horses. Lots of companies pay PR firms to write, pitch and place stories in print and broadcast media. Lots of magazines are pretty upfront about the need to advertise before they'll run a (fawning) profile on your company. In both cases, someone paid (directly or indirectly) to get the placement. Don't forget, press releases are now 100 years old.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

VC Dan — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:26:44 -0000

Good observation Scott.

I'd note that bloggers need to own their Disclosure Policy and input like this helps them reach best practices. Many bloggers are operating in a vacuum as they document what their Disclosure Policy might be. That's why we created DisclosurePolicy.org, to provide some tools and guidance to maximize the likelihood people will adopt. It all starts with telling your audience what to expect from you, then adhering to it.

If you feel strongly about it, I'd suggest bringing your guidance to boards.disclosurepolicy.org. The longer we keep good ideas like this dispersed, the longer it takes to arrive at guidance for everyone.

Re: If You Can’t Tell Whether Something Is An Ad, That’s Deception

webomatica — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:52:21 -0000

Good point, good way to look at it. This is one differentiation between obvious ads (Amazon, Google, banner ads) that are pay per click or pay per action, and the "payola" type situation that PayPerPost presents.